how are legions compared to all the shiny armor bs?

they don't show the big dps numbers in eft, but shouldn't they apply their damage much better to the smaller targets in vanguards?

I thought that was a typo in the mail. Corrected in OP thanks for the Edits.

Hi there,
[Tengu, Incursion]

*fit trimmed*
with my current skills this would run at 16,4k shield-hp (raw) with resists of 80,5/86/85,6/85,9. dps out of pyfa with scourge fury 558 @ 57 km.
i could switch to HAMs for 744 DPS with scourge rage @ 20 km.

any improvements etc are welcome. the big goal atm is to fly a nightmare, though a rokh with t2 rails is a lot closer.

thanks

Roshi

TVP is the best bet for a newer player. But it is also not impossible for newish players to get together and run sites on their own, outside of the main communities. I've helped get fleets together with two different corps, the only requirement being T2 shield mods on all ships, and logi 4 for the Basilisks. One of the fleets had Drakes and Navy Omens in them, ships even TVP won't accept. Its not ISK efficient but it is kind of fun. Any contested site will be lost of course, and depending on time of day and # of incursions in hisec, it may be hard to get many sites to yourself. So incursions can be rather noob-unfriendly, yes. CCP designed them to be competitive.

What is the difference between the 55-70% resists you get with Meta 3 and 4 modules and the T2 modules? Not much.

What is the difference between DPS with T2 ammo and Faction ammo? a few percentage points = not much.

Also note that the Sansha rats will warp scram you. So unless you can align fast and GTFO, it will be a one ship enter - one pod leave scenario.

Thanks for your reply Goldiiee

it's not a problem, i'll start with incursions as soon as i can ger a rokh...

thank you anyway for you help, really appreciated a lot!

Raek
Sorry but at logi 4 a Scimi is not cap stable so not usable. A Basi at level 4 is stable with 2 energy transfers on it. Once you get logi 5 and shield emissions at 5 the scimi will be stable.

It should be noted that a level4 basi should get you into some fleets such as TVP but be aware that if there are a large number of level5 logies x'ing up the FC may pass you over. As mentioned earlier join the channels and talk to the members there, they will give you the advice you need to get into their fleets.

Please not that TVP although they have tengus in there mailing list the chances of gettin in a fleet is 5% and soon they will be pushed out of the list all together .

Didn't know they had a site, added the Link to the OP, thanks.

Any other communities with Home page links please drop them in here and I will get them added to the OP.

Greetings Incursion people,

Im looking to get involved with incursions due to the fact that i am falling asleep doing lvl 4 missions. Literally falling asleep.
Im looking for a fleet that can help get on my feet and start learning the ropes of incursions, a more casual minded fleet would be best due to crazy work schedules. Shield or armor doesnt matter to me, i can do both.

Thanks ahead of time all!

Also, there is the Vindicator. What's his role in Incurions? What's the percentage of Vindis in ideal fleet?

Would you personally train for NM, Mach or Vindi given you're at 0 skills and you got plenty of Incursions expirience? And why?

I got only Drake experience so far. So got no emotional response to a particular turret weapon system. So all I care for now is effectiveness.

Thank you in advance.

Hi.

Since i started playing EVE i trained my skills going for missiles and Caldari ships.
Now, i want to try incursions so, my skills are most likely bad :)
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sir_John_Halsey

The question i have is: with Odyssey 1.1 and the changes to medium guns, HACs and CS, will it be worth flying an Eagle or a Rail Tengu into incursions?

Or my best bet is to train for a sniping Rokh?

Ah, one more thing... is this http://incursions.nexsoft.de/?mode=fit&id=367
Is it worth investing in this hull and flying it in incursions?

Currently trying to get to be able to fit this :

[Rokh, Will it Rock?]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Large Shield Extender II
Cap Recharger II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation II

Is there any serious misstakes in there or would it be ok to run at least in a beginner fleet?

Hello, I'm trying to get into running incursions instead of Lv4, Just wondering if this setup would still be accepted.


800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Caldari Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolinr Cruise Missile
'Caldari Navy Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolinr Cruise Missile



What about 1400's

[Tempest Fleet Issue, TFI_Inc2]

6x 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II (Republic Fleet EMP L)
2x Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolinr Cruise Missile


Thanks for the help!!

Survivability of T1 logi ships is pretty low. May be there are some channels that accept T1 logists, but as far as I know most incursion channels require T2 logi ships as absolute minimum for logists.

I haven't done incursion at all but I wanted to know if a ecm scorpion would be of any use? The fitting was
*snipped*

As far as I understood the shield drones are there to be put on the second logi for the duration of the site - presumably for giving it a little more buffer when it grabs agro or if the first logi happens to get jammed. For a training fleet that sounded like a good plan to me.

where are the current hi-sec sights?

Don't incursion fleets clash with each other for a chance to do a site? And in that case, the fleet with the highest DPS wins? Doesn't that mean that wherever the ISN or other shiny fleets go, other fleets have no chance?

I want to get into incursions. I've got the skills. I've got the ISK to buy a Pirate BS, but i obviously don't want to do that just on the first attempt. I've got Logi 5, but i hear that Logis are a dime a dozen, so i'd be waiting a long time for someone to pick me

So how do i get in?

-¦ got tank skills 4 i got t2 drones but i cant use t2 guns. Also need engineering skills they r 2-3 but learning.

So do you now any channel for newbies ?

looking into saving up for a incursion ship, probably gal armour based to match my skill investment and i have a few questions.

assuming T2 blasters and/or T2 rails on a vindi, how much ammo should i pack for a nights worth of pewpew?

is it worth fitting a megathron while i save up for a vindi? assume mostly lvl5 skills (eg blaster spec 5, but only rail spec 4, 5's for armour except EM resistance at 4) and a full T2 fit initially. i seem to be able to hit the 70% resists with no gang boosts and 15K armour (taking into account sig size) with some fitting room to spare. currently have a total of 10% dmg to large hybrids in my head and some nice cap bonuses too, though i'd look at the armour set in another clone for the long term. so nice base skill set just short on ISK initially.

what order should i focus on for an upgrade path from:
pirate hull (vindi)
faction/deadspace tank
faction/deadspace DPS

finally will i need to get my amarr/caldari standing up from shoot on sight? have a funny feeling you're all running these in amarr space!

thanks :)

This shows the average sec of the region the incursioned constellation is in.Viewing the Region reveals the sec status of the systems.

I do not get the island part tbh ?

Erhmm.. we use bastion, and 2 slot tank and don't even use a-type invuls and works as a charm in VG's

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If your just starting out you probably are working on a finite budget, assuming that's correct I would say pop into TVP's (The Valhalla Project) chat and see what you can afford to bring that they will accept in a fleet.

If I am wrong and you have a fairly generous budget you can try some of the more 'high end only' groups like ISN, WIN, Warp To Me, and Helix. As far as picking the right one goes? I would recommend any of them as a good group to start with, or stay with.
*more good advice snipped*

Quick let's all trash our Pith-As invuln because we might cap out under Otuni's neuts leaving us with a gaping omni hole...

Thanks for the extremely useful thread.

90M SP Toon away from the game for two years.

Think Incursions might be a great way to get back into the game.

I can fit and fly a Mach but don't want to lay down the 1.5b - 2.0b ISK to get all shiny unless just to try them out.

I've got a Tempest lying around that I can pimp out, or am I better off bringing a Scimi (logistics 5 cap stable)?

Would probably only want to fly one or two missions like this to convince myself this is the right investment.

If I like it I'll happily spring for the blingy Mach.

TCRC; We lose the most ships to this site (even more than Mom's) and it's usually due to the player inexperience with this particular type of site, combined with 40 on grid, cluttered Coms, and little to no real way to explain it other than throw them in the pool and hope they swim.

I don't think anyone would miss the NCN's regardless of how they are tweaked, but a training ground for the more difficult TCRC's would be a helpful added advantage to the community as a whole.

Edit; Ack Ignore me I posted in the wrong thread, was meant for the one James linked.

I just got a mail from a perspective Incursion runner, and he tells me some of my groups listed in the OP are no longer running, or at least their chats are inaccessible. I am unfortunately working my RL ass off and unable to play the game beyond logging in for training queue changes, if anyone can confirm new channels or dead groups I would appreciate it so I can keep the thread up to date even if I can't get my own personal healthy dose of EVE.

Relegated to Forum Warrior by necessity of starve and play, or eat and live.

For incursions, J isn't a member of the fleet, but rather a special target tag indicating "DO NOT SHOOT THIS". Generally, the target-tagger will put the J tag on whichever ship serves as the trigger for the next wave. If the trigger goes off prematurely, someone in the site is probably going to have an ... interesting time.

(As in: "I don't suppose any of the logibros brought hull rep drones?")

Wait, a Widow, not a T1 Scorpion? o.O

Could join WTM (Warp To Me Incursions). We run HQs as well.

Aye, I forgot about the VG fleets. Helix is another great community with good pilots.

I got a pod habit, does that count?

Undoubtedly they'd be useful as off-grid boosters, but I suspect they wouldn't be optimal as on-grid damage-dealers. A fleet with open slots might take a CS if it met their criteria (the worry would be about defense, I suspect), but given a choice between a CS and a battleship, an incursion FC is probably going to prefer the battleship.

Can we please all just stop being little and petty and allow people to run incursions for awhile before popping the mom. For the past month, incursions have only been up for total of about six or eight hours before the mothership gets popped and everyone has to pack up and move again across the galaxy. This is getting really frustrating and damaging the communities to a point where no one is making the trips anymore and incursions are really starting to flounder.
For all of you that keep on popping the mothership after six hours congratulations, I'm glad you're getting what you want out of it but you're really damaging communities, not that I believe you really care about this because are only serving yourselves but can we please stop it already and go back to the good old days of running incursions in the same spot for a week at a time so we can all make money?

You would think with all this focus on incursions lately, there would be more traffic in here

TIG has temporarily opened an public channel, can I please get Goldiiee to update the original post, channel name is 'TIG Pub'

Will an Incursion corp take a logi pilot that can only do incursions once a week, or are the attendance requirements too high for such casual play?

I'm flying mostly matar shield crusers [can be bc/bs].
Can you guys recomend me a good incursion group?

What channel to join, what to say, mb some fits? You know all that stuff. Was reading the recent post on this thread but I have no idea if that aren't out of date.

cheers!

Can you be more accuret with the start date?

Ok so basicly I'm a player that had like a year break from eve. I was living in a wh5 so I can fly a armor loki.
I have couple of skills for shield too so theres no problem to switch between armor/shield.
I'm mainly a matar pilot, so light/medium projectajls are pritty damn good skilled. But the large gunns are only on lvl4.

I have like 40kk ISK on me and would like to start with incursions. I don't have anything except a cheetach, drake (lol) and a rupture.. In the matter of fact if I think now about it I got much better skills for armor.
2kk sp in armor and only 300k in shield. No logi skills.

Now the question is, what can I afford to start incursions? What fit/channel can I start?

Sry for giving so many questions. I have to say that I feel rly lost ^^"

ps. Sry for all the miss spells I'm typing on a phone.

a vg fleet usually has 10-11 pilots. The sites usually take only a few minutes like 3-5 i think generally they are alot faster to complete but they only pay 1rd the isk and i think even a smaller fraction of lp?

a hq fleet has 40 pilots and a typical hq site ranges from 7-9 mins to 15ish for the longest. Payment for a hq site is 31m isk and.. some amount of lp added to your pool but i actually forgot how much it is.

HQ is slower tempo with more pilots but vg has smaller per hit payout but more rapid, im not sure ifthey are comparably similar in isk/lp per hour.